The following interview took place at the home of Joey Molland

for inclusion in the upcoming book

Badfinger and Beyond - The Authorized Biography of Joey Molland

                    below:  Joey and Basil relaxing at home

                    Michael: What was Mike like as a guy to hang around with?

Joey: Mike was a very easygoing guy, liked the bevy, liked a bit of smoke. Very easy going, very nice. Really nice guy.

         Michael: And Peter?

         Joey: Peter was the same as well, very nice, very easygoing. When I look back on it, he was a lot more easygoing than any of the others, than any of us three. He was probably the most talented in the band. He would never force himself on you, when he got a position he would hold it, he wouldn’t relinquish his belief, he never would do that, but he was very easygoing.  If you  wanted to try things, or do things, he wouldn’t stand in your way.

         Michael: When you did interviews as a band in the early days there was always a little bit of joking around going on. Would Peter try to calm that down?

         Joey: No, not that I would notice. He would actually get involved in it. Because we all wanted to be funny. 

        Michael:  There have been stories over the years that  make Pete out to be this totally serious business guy, and that he was the absolute leader of the band, when it appears to me the band was very democratic and in sync with each other.

 Joey: Yeah I think that’s a lot closer to the truth than any idea that any one person in that band was the leader of the band.

         Michael:  I would like that aspect of the story to come out, because everything that’s been done centers around Pete and I don’t think it’s all about Pete.  For many people Badfinger were a group of equals, like The Beatles, that made great music.  Nobody would begrudge Paul and George if they did an album after John died, and they didn't invite Ringo.  If they chose to call it The Beatles people might gripe, but so be it.

         Joey: That’s exactly right, and that doesn’t say that we were all equally talented.  That’s not saying Joey was as good as Pete, or Tommy was as good as Mike, or Mike was as good as Joey, or anything else. That’s the way it was. I don’t think any one of them, Peter or Tommy, or Mike for that matter, would claim any more credit than any of the other three. We all just did what we did; we worked on songs, we respected the other person enough to let them work their part out and do what they did. That’s why you did it, that’s why you played in a band - so that you didn’t have to think of it. It wasn’t your responsibility.

   I mean, all of these things are so far removed from what it’s actually like being in a band. When you’re twenty-three years old you’re not thinking about any of these detail things. You’re just not thinking about that.  We came to America and were astounded at the idea when people said, 'Oh, this is his band,' or 'He’s the leader of that band,' because we weren’t used to bands having leaders. The Rolling Stones didn’t have a leader, The Beatles didn’t have a leader.  You show me one of those bands that had a leader.  Gerry and the Pacemakers, they didn’t have a leader. The Merseybeats, they didn’t have a leader.  The Shadows, they didn’t have a leader - you know what I mean?

         Michael: Do you think that’s it an American thing that there always needs to be a number one, and to point out the focal point of something?

         Joey: Perhaps.  You know Herman’s Hermits, Herman was not the leader, Freddy and the Dreamers, Freddy was not the leader, Eric Burdon was not the leader of the Animals, it just wasn’t so. These were bands, these were people - five guys from a back street somewhere who liked to play Rock n Roll music, and they weren’t five guys who were kind of sniveling around looking for someone to give them a chance to play, these guys wanted to play Rock n Roll music and that’s a whole different attitude than looking for a gig, man.  I’ve been in bands where, yeah, that guy was the singer, and that guy was the organist, that guy was the drummer - and that’s obvious why that happens - but all those five guys would be one band.  Whether it was the Mojos, or the Merseybeats, or Badfinger, or The Beatles, or anybody else.  There was five guys in the band, or four guys doing it. So to say that Badfinger had a leader, or to say that anybody was the leader, is absolute fucking rubbish.

         Michael:  There is a story floating around that you used to tease Pete about him getting him to do the solo spot with George during the concert for Bangladesh on “Here Comes The Sun."  Did the band tease him about that?

         Joey: No. No, that’s a figment of somebody’s imagination, that is.

         Michael:  The rumored story claims that that was a wedge between the two of you. That Pete got to go up front stage and you didn’t.

        Joey: That’s absolute bullshit. I swear to God, see if you could find anybody around us, anybody that recalls Pete and I arguing about that, anybody. I’ll go further than that - I’ll defy you to find one person that was present when Pete and I had an argument. You see if you can find anybody, go ahead. Any of those people in his book, call ‘em up, ask ‘em and see how many times we argued about it. If they can remember more than three arguments, I can only remember three arguments about specific things. That’s a guy grinding his own axe over there. Trying to paint a picture that just isn’t true. It just isn’t true. Why did I play the lead guitar on “Baby Blue?” Why would he let me do that if we were arguing all the time. You wouldn’t do it, man. I’m telling you, you wouldn’t do it.  You’d go - no, fuck that, fuck him, I’m not letting him play on my song, I don’t want him in. If it was that bad they would have thrown me out of the band, they would have fucking got rid of me, they would have. I wasn’t writing any hits, you know, they would have said fuck him, if I was as much an asshole as they say, as he says rather. It’s unbelievable man.  I know 'cause I’ve got the interviews, I’ve got the films of Mike Gibbins talking about that band, talking about me in it and him in it, and Tommy, and all the rest of it. And I got the unedited interviews, so I know what he says about me.

     That’s another thing, I defy you to find anybody that ever saw us arguing in the studio. Anybody, I don’t care. I’m telling you when we’re all dead, you can ask all of ‘em then what the fuck happened. Yeah, you’ll see. (chuckles)  

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